Another Woman's Voice Upon Things That Matter
Julie, our estimable colleague from New Zealand, has posted a quite arresting and memorable comment - and true to the CF tradition, I shall give it a showcase. Keep in mind that Julie talks to all sorts of women in the course of her activism efforts. Julie knows the temperature of the water out there, if anybody does!
Julie said...
Feminism has destroyed our young women in particular. Because feminism has been so busy to say that women were oppressed, and continue to hold men accountable, and give women every right to do as they please, and excuse ALL bad behaviour, our young women suffer.
Our young women WILL not and CANNOT be held accountable for their deeds thanks to feminism. This means that they have no boundaries. And their actions are begging for them.
They lie, steal, cheat and harm others as well as themselves - but nothing happens. They call males names, they hit, kick and even stab them. And nothing happens. They stand in public places and speak of their nasty deeds loudly for all the adults to hear and we CAN do nothing. We can't help them.
Teachers and social workers cannot be one on one with them for fear they will cry rape - and they do cry rape! And they can't discipline them.
But what they are crying out is, "Please love me. Please care enough to tell me where the line is". And these females are angry, very angry. And they don't understand why they can't have a boyfriend and they can't understand why they will be nothing more than used and discarded and they can't understand why they have no good people in their lives. Well done feminism. You have empowered these young women, all right.
But then what about the 20 and 30 year olds. What has feminism done for them. Well, they gave them choices but now they want to take away these choices and force them to be independent because a man cannot be a provider and protector for them. Feminism is so concerned about women having equal money that they are forcing them to give their children up to daycares and work. They are so concerned for their welfare they enslave them.
And now they are fighting for the children's rights against the mothers. Now mothers have no rights nor choices with their own children. Now the state takes their children straight from the hospital bed. Feminism doesn't even give a mother a chance to be a mother. They are too busy putting cotton wool around the children yet when they take them away they abuse them through their own welfare system. The state will never love a child like a mother and father will. The state will never be a family to a child.
Oh, I don't know. I think there are a few million women out there who have something to say about all this.
posted by Fidelbogen at 5:05 PM
11 Comments:
Fidelbogan, you are being kind to me. From the Internet that is. lol
I don't have the skills to be a writer. I am not so literate. But you see past that and thanx.
There is major success happening on the web in NZ. This morning I posted this article on my site.
Are women less than equal or privileged princesses? We are for both women and men.
And then it was talked about on this site.
trademe
You need to know that the above site has been controlled by 80% feminists for some time. Yes, they are still there. But sadly the males that were arguing were coming from a personal place and did not come over well with their anger. But now the other side is speaking up. I can't say it is because of me but I did start making comments there months ago and for some unknown reason once again no-one attacked me. At first some women were funnny but then other women started speaking up. I think the feminists have got the message.
I would love it if you could help me. You are far more intelligent than me and you can definitely hold your own. We need someone like you because many of these women are hands on like myself.
I don't think you guys give yourselves enough credit. Really I don't. We have been starved on the ground from men like you. And I am not kidding you.
For me. I have to be careful you don't distract me from my own plan. I have a major walk in a major city and on major streets to organise before the next election. This sure is teamwork in my eyes.
You mean, like...register and post something? About feminism?
Julie, the way you describe them, the young women messed up by feminism remind me of genetically engineered food plants: Genetic engineering has resulted in plenty of crops, but what kind of crops? - It's plants that were never meant to be by nature, and now that they're here, they are the bullies of the plant kingdom: They require a special environment for growing up, behave antisocial towards other plants (yet can't exist on their own), are of bland taste and make people ill in the long run... these plants only exist because they make a few unscrupulous people very rich, that's why they protect their existence by any law they could buy. The newest trend in genetic engineering is to produce plants that can't replicate on their own anymore - they really ensure a constant flow of money to their "master" corporations.
I beg to differ, Fidelbogen. I am grateful for everyone who decides to lend their support to the men's rights movement. However, to get women to that point of conceding that there in institutional, politicised bias against men takes an awful lot of work and arguments.
There are female supporters of boy's/men's/father's rights, but if you ask me, they are too few and far between.
What do you make of the idea that most women are "passive feminists"? Even if they don't explicitly call themselves "feminists", through their passive support and utilisation of feminist products such as affirmative action, divorce, property redistribution, they become enfrancised in the system.
I believe also the possibility of a woman supporting the movement falls in proportion to their youth - i.e. your average woman in their 20s will have a lot less support than a woman in their 50s. Also, I do not believe that the girls in their 20s who point blank refuse to care will come around in middle age. The likes of Germaine Greer and other '60s and '70s writers are perfect examples of "switched on" women in their 20s who knew about intellectual feminism and hated men, and these inclinations never abated.
As you can see, this age bias does not affect male supporters so much.
In many ways I do not blame women for clinging to their gender's civil movement or for repelling the men's rights cause. Most people are happy to cheat or get something for nothing, and feminists facilitate this. They can get automatic preference for jobs and promotion, not having to compete with male candidates, be practically immune from the law, and be allowed lottery-style tax-free property inheritance and alimony income. None of these practices would be possible without feminism.
I have to side with Billy on the AM forums here. The "I'm not a feminist but..." line does not wash with me.
I've felt that most women are full of the fem-virus for a long time. Many say '"I'm not a feminist..." But they always turn and say some Feminist drivel.
If it talks like a duck then.. shoot it must...
Getting women, young women especially that will be the lawmakers and politicians of tommorrow, to concede that men are getting shafted seems to be mission impossible to me.
Here is more news from New Zealand - 24 hour daycares - the State will raise the children, parents no longer needed, men and women will work for the State.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0709/S00061.htm
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Compare this with the Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto...
"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists." As well they should. It is a disgusting concept! Karl Marx believed that the family structure was inherently exploitative, with capitalists treating their wives and children as property and bequeathing their accumulated assets to their children (he saw the concept of inheritance as a horrible evil). His solution? Children should be raised by the state, marriage and inheritance should be eliminated, and noncommital sex should be the only form of relationship. The man was a lunatic, and most people don't even have any idea how extreme and unrealistic some of his views were, because they've never bothered to read his Manifesto.
Fidelbogan, I sorted the link problem myself.
Fidel, I have registered for an account at princess chantal....I am still waiting for an administrator to "approve" my account. Not holding my breath.
julie : Feminism has destroyed our young women in particular.
He’s Happier, She’s Less So
To all women : feminism sold you all a lie. If you want to have it all, you need to do it all.
No wonder, women are so unhappy, stressed out, and screwed up.
Gosh, I really like this site. I don't know who anonymous is but I am sure being helped. Thank-you so much.
Anonymous 3:12 PM, that article you linked (He's Happier, She's Less So) was well worth the read for me - probably because I agreed with it. ;)
I've certainly noticed a decline in personal happiness in the women I know, and I've speculated that the cause is the wide range of things they not only want to engage in, but excel in.
It's an unspoken kind of competitiveness and is relentless in the demands it makes of them. I'm in my late '40s and have only recently come to understand how destructive the desire to excel can be if unbalanced with generous spells of simple non-mental tasks and quiet reflection.
The younger women of today are being driven before the whip - it doesn't appear that way because the method is to appeal to their egos, inflate their expectations, gird them for years of full-time study then work them hard in the cubicle farms. This on top of their natural desires to have children and raise a family.
It is no wonder they are less happy than before, and all the more suggestible to victimhood.
Well, I'm not sure what you are begging to differ about, exactly, but at any rate. . .
What do you make of the idea that most women are "passive feminists"? Even if they don't explicitly call themselves "feminists", through their passive support and utilisation of feminist products such as affirmative action, divorce, property redistribution, they become enfrancised in the system.
Sounds about right. The trouble as I see it, is that feminism has blended so smoothly with the surrounding culture that it is no longer possible to say exactly where the line of separation should be drawn. Feminism has fuzzy borders, as I like to say.
Hence, the passive feminist effect. Plenty of women live within feminism's political gravity field even if they would deny being feminists themselves. I believe this has occurred because feminist activism has made so many "goodies" available to women generally. Women avail themselves far too freely, and at length they end up co-opted whether they know it or not.
I'm not too sure about the age correlation. I tend to think that the world will always contain certain kinds of people in certain proportions....in another period of history, you'd have found those very same women traveling under a flag other than feminism - and perhaps the only difference would be that they would not be organized politically. (The personal wouldn't be the political, so to speak!)
"Getting women, young women especially that will be the lawmakers and politicians of tommorrow, to concede that men are getting shafted seems to be mission impossible to me."
Getting most MEN to admit that is pretty close to mission impossible too! But I think that it is possible to reach at least a certain number of people (men and women both), and once you establish a core constituency of awakened ones, a snowballing follower effect comes into play.
It is a maxim in politics that ORGANIZATION can make up for lack of numbers. . .
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